went lake fishing today and caught 2 coho. 1.5 and 2lbs apiece. are they
considerd kokanee to be bonked or coho to be released.our local hatchery
has net pens on this lake so they are probabley escapees.
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wayne, what lake were you fishing? A kokanee is considered to be a landlock
sockeye and not a coho.
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oconner lake. i am sure iread somewhere that kokanee can be any kind of
landlocked salmon. this lake isnt landlocked and they were way to big to
be smolts.
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Kokanee are landlocked Sockeye.
that being said they are sometimes found in lakes that do have access to
the sea,Lillooet Lake being a good example.
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Coho do sometimes residualize in the lake just like the kokanee. You can
catch them in Kawkawa Lk, everybody mistakes them for trout.
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Steve, I've heard of similar cases in some
lakes up and around the powell river area.
I went to Spout lake last May up in the
Cariboo Chilcotin and one of my buddies got
a kokanee that had black spots. It wasn't a rainbow
because the meat was blood red (like a sockeyes/Kokanee's) and
it didnt
have a pink lateral line or pink tinge on the
gills that the rainbows that we caught had.
It had to have been a coho, although I know
this lake has no access to any watershed
feeding into the ocean and also, I'm sure
the trout hatcheries do not purposely stock
them, so I'm lead to believe that its a Hybrid
between a rainbow and a Kokanee Salmon.
Any comments?
Scott
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Scott you are so full of BS it's almost funny!
a cross between Oncorhynchus Nerka and Oncorhychus Mykiss?
LOL!!
you really should be in showbiz kid!!!
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Rod, I'm just going by what I see.
All the rainbows we got there had a peachy
type meat. This fish had a dark deep red meat (which a Sockeye/Kokanee
has),
but it had spots like how a Rainbow should.
It looked a lot like a steelhead or a Coho,
but it had deep red meat as I just said.
I didn't say it was, but judging from my
knowledge of fish species, that is the only
conclusion I could honestly make. I'm just
looking for answers, and I hope the more expierience anglers/people with
knowledge
on this board could maybe clarify it.
Got anything better to do?
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"It looked a lot like a steelhead or a Coho"?!?
Do these species of fish look similar to you, Scott?
Without having seen this fish for myself, I cannot speculate on the type
but I can agree with Rod's comments on your piscatorial knowledge.
Hey Wayne, coho salmon and steelhead smolts may remain in freshwater if
there is an adequate food supply in the lake, which I would guess in Oconner
would be provided by excess food from the fish pens. Salmon regularly remain
in freshwater when they are raised to large smolt sizes. It used to be a
problem when large steelhead smolts were released only to become year-round
residents in the streams.
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Rudiger, Chrome Coho and Chrome steelhead are very tough to differentiate.
I didn't take note
of the tail (which will have either half spots
or full spottning, square steelhead tail
or v Salmon tail), but I do know that it appeared to be a Kokanee with
Spots.
In fact Chrome coho and Chrome steelhead
are so tough to differentiate, tht when there
was a commerical fishery for coho, they often
bagged steelhead because they couldn't tell the difference sometimes,
and they canned them and sold them as Coho. FACT!
Rudiger, how they solve the problem of steelhead
smolts residulizing is they release them lower
down in the river near the estuary. Therefore they will almost certainly
make their way into the ocean. At least on coastal watersheds they do that.
On the trib streams of the Fraser,i have no clue how they solve the problem
of Steelhead residulizing. They probably just release them sooner.
Comments??
Scott
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hint Scott-when does O.Mykiss spawn and when does O.Nerka spawn?
when do they get together for a little 'cuddle'?Hmmmm?
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Rod, Like I said, thats the only conclusion I can make.
Also, is it jsut common knowledge that all
coho and all rainbows spawn at different times
in this province, because I'm sure I can find
several distinct Coho runs that spawn at the same
time as summer run steelhead and several coho
runs that spawn at the same time as winter steelhead. I said from my knowledge,
its the
only conclusion I can make and that maybe
someone from this board can inform me if
they have more knowledge than me, of Kokanee
with Coho spotting. My hypothesis is nothing
but merely a hypothesis from my Knowledge.
Thats all I can make. Maybe someoen with MORE
knowledge (You obviously don't have it) can
set me straight or inform me of similar expieriences of Kokanee with Spots,
or maybe
rainbows with blood red meat, or who knows?
Thats all I'm looking for, plain and simple.
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Scott,
If you divorce thought from action, take the sum
and divide it into productive reasoning then I think your answer would be
clear and simple. Prof.
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A lake or two in the cariboo region have been stocked with coho - to help
control local populations of shiners and other course fish. Flesh colour
is not a good indicator of species. Kokanee never have spots. Rainbows can't
hybridize with sockeye.
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Ralph, so basically you're saying it was a rainbow? I guess thats a
fair thing to say,
only all the rainbows we had bonked were
of a quite different meat, and they all that
pink tinge. This fish didn't have the pink
lateral line/tinge at all, but my friend kept
insisting it was a Kokanee despite the fish
having Coho type spotting (again, I didn't
notice the tail though). I dont know too much
about the shiner population but I do know there
is a fair population of Squawfish in this lake,
only the way you picked them up was fishing the reed beds and around the
edges of the lake most of the time. The one thing I learned, thanks
to a friends fish finder, was that on the lake
bottom there were several drop offs and that the
fish would hold in these drop offs. Almost everytime we brought a subtlely
jigged (and
trolled leach pattern) the fish would hammer it
if it was just above the drop off and they could
see it. Maybe the Nymph activity is more
abundant in the deeper sections of the lake?
There were a lot of mid day hatches going on, so
I dont know if the fish were hiding from the
warmer weather. The ice came off only 2 weeks before.
Oh well, I have a lot to learn about lake fishing.
Scott
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anyways those fish were some of the best i ever ate.
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You had better watch it Wayne. Scott will give us the snorkel count on those
babies and then cut loose.
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well Scott you just might be right-imagine this,a dark sultry Cariboo nite,a
bored rainbow female,casually taking the water in a quiet corner of the
lake meets a virile early arrival Sockeye,a casual conversation leads to
a more 'intimate' setting,the lovers fall together-biology be d***ed
they say-and nature takes it's course.
in due time beautiful healthy children result,only to be cut down in their
youth by a cunning voracious human,their flesh used to sate his voracious
appetite.
sad but there you have it,humankind once again wreaking havoc upon the world,or
is it just nature taking it's normal course?
stay tuned for the next installment of............
As The Fish Swims!
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Whew. Rod has invented a whole new genre of outdoor writing ... "Angling
Erotica".
Sure beats the obligatory "fishing humour" column on the back page
of all the outdoor magazines.
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Diet has a big bearing on flesh color. Maybe it was a cut-bow.
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Upper Dean has cut-bows. There good fishing but I think it's C&R
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Hey fishy, do you fish the Dean?
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Not for a long time. I use to work for a guide outfitter out that way. Mostly
hunting thought,the fishing I did was pretty well on my own time. Do you
fish the area?
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Barry's right, it could have even just been a 'bow. Different kinds
of 'bows have different kinds of diets, and as a result different colours
of meat. I think it's that predatory 'bows have orangey meat and
'bows that feed on insects have red,(maybe vise versa, can't
remember)and in rivers 'bows tend to have a lighter coloured meat.
Maybe there's more than one kind of 'bow stocked in that lake.
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No, I haven't fished there yet however my fishing partner was one of
the river guardians on the Dean last year and will be in charge of this
years new guardians. I'll get there sooner or later though. It's
just to sweet a place not to try and get there.
Jesse, I believe a diet that contains the algae spiralina will give the
flesh of fish a deep red color. That or also a diet of shrimp will deepen
the redness of the flesh. I don't know if that lake contains either
of those, but both would have an effect
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Hmmm ... I wonder what a diet of pepperoni pizza and beer produces (in
terms of flesh colour, I mean) ?
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Bobber,
I do believe that would fall under your zitty shades. I would pay good money
to watch you dine and then put neoprenes on and go fish the middle of Sheridan
in your tube. Can you say float tube wake? Prof.
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Well I know what effect a diet of wood chips has on a fish. About ten years
ago I was fishing near Castlegar right beside the pulp mill and caught about
a four pound rainbow. Sickest fish I've ever seen, it had bubbles all
over its head, never touched it just pulled the hook out in the water. Classic
example of the government thinking about money in their pocket.... not the
stream or habitat that's being destroyed
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welfare is always an option. This has been the most amusing set of posts
I've seen in a while. Keep up the good work. Commercial captains confusing
steelhead for coho? LOL.
Flesh coloration is usually a result of health, genetics, food consumption,
lipid/fat content, maturation (pre/post spawn), and a variety of
other factors. If it tasted good and your here to talk about it, no worries.
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