Hi there.
I went to Sasamat Lake in Port Moody to fish yesterday and today. Although
I tried to fish at most of shore along the lake with rubber boat I couldn't
catch any fish and couldn't get any bite either.Is that lake not so
good place to fish?
As I am new immegrant I am not familiar with any place to fish for trout
around Vancouver. I appreciate if somebody recommend me know where the best
place is to fish for trout in this season. As I live in Coquitlam aria the
place around here would be helpful
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BC Fishing Directory...........cost you about 11 bucks but it will be the
best money you ever spend.
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Mike this isn't the best time of year to trout fish as the water temp,
is to warm for there liking. This causes them to lay on the bottom and sulk.
I just came back from the Douglas Lake ranch I caught a 3,5 lb, bow and
he had been eatting algee. This is a go sign that they are sulking. They
get enough energy from the algee as there not using any to hunt. If you
want to catch them you have to get your fly-bait right on the bottom and
move very slow. The good news is that fall is coming and then the trout
really start to pig out to get fat for winter, I can't tell you anything
about the lakes in your area but don't give up on them. By the end of
Sep, you may go back and have a hay day. Get to know the trout and there
habits.
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Good advice, Carver. It reminded me that I'm a lot like a trout ...
when it gets this hot, I tend to feed at the McDonald's drive-thru window.
Not much nutrition, but I don't expend much energy getting it either.
Just like eating algae, except with special sauce, lettuce, cheese, pickles
and onions on a sesame seed bun.
Mike, as long as you're seeing daytime temperatures like this in the
Lower Mainland, you're wasting your time fishing after 8:00 a.m. or
before 8:00 p.m. Try those small "windows of opportunity" and you
may find something in Sasamat Lake.
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Hi, Scott and Dale
I thank you guys for giving me a great information. Those are really helpful
for me.
Especially I was certainly surprised to hear trout eat algae in this season.By
the way how did you get such a big trout at Douglas Lake with fly or algae?
Anyway I envy you Dale.
I understand the best way to fish in August is don't go anywhere and
then I should be patient for waiting fall. But It must be almost impossible
for me to do that. So I will get Fishing Directory for BC area at Book store
and then I am going to try to catch trout sulking at the bottom.
Thank you guys again. I enjoyed very much.
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Hi Bobber I thank you too.
I am sorry for I missed to read your message when I posted last message.
You bingo! Bobber. I spent time to fish between 10:00 a.m and 4:00 p.m.
I will try to wake up early on this weekend.
Thanks
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Mike I flyfish only and always use barbless hooks. The fish like them. How
I got such a big trout is through painstaking observation and knowing more
than Scott and Bobber. Well shithouse luck I guess. I got him 20ft. from
the boat launch and never had another bite. Oh and don't quit fishing
in August because you learn something every time you go out. Just go out
and fish if you catch one it's a bonus. Remember down deep and slower
than slow.
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"Around the steel, no tortured worm shall twine;
No blood of living insect stain my line.
Let me, less cruel, cast feathered hook,
With pliant rod on pebbled brook.
Silent, along the mazy margin stray,
And with fur-wrought fly delude my prey."
Enough said ...
(No, I didn't say it ... John Gay did, in 1720)
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Really hit'en the books lately Bobber. 1720 HHhhmm I bet that hook wasn't
barbless but he sure seems to care about his bugs.
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Bobber
Thank you for letting me know great poem. But it is a little bit too noble
to understand it perfectly in English. I will make effort to interpret it
with dictionary. I am thinking why there are many poet who likes fishing
as you. I am too. I am not good poet but I like it and I have been loving
fishing as my best hobby for more than 30 years old. I never caught big
fish unless I got a sea bass which has two feet length with beginner's
luck. But I love fishing. Fishing always makes me exciting and comfortable
even if I couldn't catch any fish. But sometime (many times)
makes me frustrating!!. But I love the game between fish and human.
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Mike if you would like to learn more about trout and trout fishing in B.C
you could down load the Western Flyfisher Magazine. The site is www.westernflyfisher.com
and it's free. There's a wealth of info on how to pick lakes and
find fish. It's mostly on the Kamloops area and Kamloops trout but hell
the techniques work anywhere on any trout.
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Bobber,
what a well read old s** you are and a poet too.
I reckon with all that wisdom you must be as old as Methusala, give us a
clue.
Have you any recent news of "The Prof" (John Kent)
Mike Neal
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I think Bobber is still working on the bust out plan. Old John should be
out on good time soon. He posted last week saying a few people from the
board had dropped in to fish Tunkwa. I was going to head up at the end of
Aug.
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Hey Fishcarver, what makes you think that fish like barbless hooks??? I'm
sure they like no hook at all even better. I am willing to bet they prefer
the bait just tossed over the boat to them than anything else.
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Well you have a point there Robert. I don't chum much so I can't
really say if they prefer this to barbless hocks. I may just research your
tecnique though. Really I was just trying to fun Mike but I do use only
barbless hooks. I fish mainly trout and barbed hooks rip the little guys
up so bad it's hardly worth releasing them.
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Its amazing how many people fly fish lakes with barbed hooks and fish with
the intention of C&R.
Many times I see a guy release a few fish and then 5 minutes later I see
a couple of fish doing the funky chicken on the surface.
A few times after the fish has died, I have gone up to the fish and picked
it up and noticed that the gills are torn or the lip of the fish it torn
partially off. I guess it seems some guys just rip the barbed hook out of
the fish and throw it back. They might as well keep the fish.
Very unfortunate.
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I don't know why they don't just ban barbed hooks . If you use a
medium action rod it's not that hard to keep a little tension on the
line. I had a big bow 60ft. out that just came staight at me. He went under
me about 15ft. down and is probably in Wash. state by now. You know ••••
happens. I don't feel I lose more fish with barbless hooks, as a matter
of fact I seldom lose a fish. It's eather in the first jump or two or
the last 15ft. as I like to bring them in with a little spunk left in them.
I don't see the river fishermen screaming bloody blue that their losing
too many fish. It's just part of the game. I don't like store bought
barbless hooks. I have a pair of mini round nose pliers that work great.
They push the tip of the barb right down without trying to straighten the
hook out. I find needle nose tend to weaken the hook.
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I got an idea, when the trout fishing slows and you get tired of McDonalds
try for an alternate species, carp, sun fish, crappie, BASS, catfish, bring
the kids out, you are guaranteed to catch these types of fish at this time
of year, you'lll be surprised how fun it can be with extrenmely light
gear cheers all!!!!
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You couldn't be more right about the store bought barbless hooks. I
like barbless as well but with a crimped barbed hook, you still have that
little bump that makes all the difference as compared to a straight barbless
hook bought from the tackle shop.
That little bump can hold a fish on just a little bit better when push comes
to shove, but in no way makes the fish stressed more or releasing the fish
any more difficult.
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Bassfreak sunfish,crappie and bass scare the hell out of my kids. Some kind
of freak'en aliens.
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If you want good trout fishin hit the rivers. The Thompson should be great
right now and the Hoppers should be fallin into the Kettle by the thousands.
Not only is the fishin great, but in the Okanagan their don't tend to
be a lot of people that hit the rivers as compared to the lakes.
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Jesse I know there's trout all over the place. It started as Mikes problem
. He can't seem to hook one in the Coquitlam area.
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I flyfish with regular barbed hooks and have no problem releasing them (if
I decide to) without a problem. I guess it's all in the technique!
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Carver,
The handshake is EASY to learn, it's the large, Bass-shaped brand on
your ass that is hard to get over ;)
...and for the record, I also fish for Bass with barbed hooks, but I don't
suppose too many people on this board will care whether I used barbed, barbless,
harpoon or dynamite!
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Just catching up ...
Mike (Neal) - I'm not as old as my hairline might suggest. But
I'll put it this way: That Berners woman asked me what I thought about
fyshing with an angle. I told her it would never catch on.
Buckman - Please don't mention the Kettle again. Before you know it,
there will be four people fishing that river, instead of just three. The
crowds would ruin it for me :)
Mac - I'm curious about why you use barbed hooks. I would too if I fished
primarily for food, but since I don't, I can't see the need. The
jury is still out on hooking mortality etc., but there is no doubt that
it's often much easier to quickly release a fish from a barbless hook.
Carver - From what I hear, Okanagan bass fishermen hold their secret monthly
meetings in the men's room at Wal-Mart on the third Tuesday of every
month. Knock twice, then give the password ("yee-haw").
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Bob,
I use barbed hooks because my aim is to CATCH fish. As I said before, my
so-called "meat" fishery only takes place two or three times a year.
I have a special European-made hook remover that is quick and relatively
painless (I don't know...I never asked the fish!). If the hook
is razor sharp (pity those who don't sharpen their hooks regularily),
it goes in easily and comes out just as well. Depending on the species,
I release those that I deem as non-keepers and my personal experience has
shown that MY mortality rate is as low as anybody else's.
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PS-The meetings are BI-MONTHLY and they are no longer being held at Wal-Mart...and
you have the password all wrong!
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re: barbed versus barbless hooks: many studies have shown this is little
significant difference in mortality of c&r fish in using barbed hooks
versus barbless or even trebles. It's how the fish are hooked (ie
fish with torn gills seldom survive) and handled that most impacts mortality.
Regarding what someone above claimed to see (numerous fish "doing
the funky chicken" after release by Fly anglers) I don't mean
to offend you but, I personally take it with the proverbial pound of salt.
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Ralph, the point I was trying to make was this: If a sport fisherman intends
to release most or all of the fish he catches, why would he not use a barbless
hook ? As you suggest, damage caused by the barb itself may not be the direct
cause of death, but wouldn't you agree that fish are often handled more
roughly and for longer periods of time when a barbed hook has been used
?
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Not necessarily...
Ponder this: If I am using a barbed hook and I get a bite, I am relatively
certain that this fish is not going to get off and therefore I can play
it to the boat (or dock, or beach) with a bit of TLC. If the hook
is barbless, then I know that the fish stands a better chance of throwing
the hook and therefore my line remains as taut as possible, the urgency
to get him landed results in rougher handling while on the line. Unless
of course, you don't care whether you land him or not, in which case
you shouldn't be using a hook at all!
Even if I am practicing C&R on a particular day or for a certain species,
I still need the opportunity to land the l'il dickens for a photo op
or to measure him or whatever it is I decide to do once he's in the
net.
This "argument" is the same one we've seen before, whether it's
Bass vs. Trout, Tackle vs. Fly, or crowds vs. solitude: neither method is
an absolute and neither really determines the ethic of the Angler involved...it
all boils down to a matter of choice, right?
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I would agree that logically follows (and explains why we have barbless
only rules where c&r is a regulatory reality) though the large majority
of studies don't support the notion.
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Bobber I think your correct in saying there handled less with barbless hooks.
I fish from a belly boat and seldom have to lift a fish out of the water.
Unless I want to hold it up and wave it around to show it off. Make it pretend
it's swim'en,like what bass fishermen do. I would like to know what
kind of fish they did these barbless non-barbless mortality tests on. Probably
bass because of the industry.
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Mac the faster you catch and release a fish the bette, so your saying barbless
hooks have a two fold benefit.
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Mac, a better comparison would be to "no trace" camping. I don't
clean up my campsite because I'm an ethical person - I do it because
I hope the next guy will do the same for me. Except for those fish that
I intend to kill, I try to leave the rest in the best condition that I can,
for that same reason.
There are probably good ways and bad ways to remove barbed hooks, but common
sense and many observations on the water tell me that the easiest way to
deal with the barb is to remove it first.
As for landing fish - well, once I've had the pleasure of hooking and
playing the critter, I don't much care if it spits the hook at the boat,
or at my feet - as long as it's able to swim away under its own power.
(Carver's right, by the way - allowing the fish to exhaust itself
on your barbed hook ain't such a good idea. Some people even maintain
that the taste of a played-out fish isn't as good as one that's
bonked in prime condition ... don't know about that.)
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Bobber,
I can go one better than you that Woman Berners was The Abbess of St Albans,
almost a neighbour of mine, just 6 miles down the road from me.( Although
"I" am not old enough to have known her. Pity about her favourite
stream, The River Ver, almost dried up by abstraction now, hasn't seen
a trout in 40 years.
By the way I did like your poem, have typed it up real posh in fancy lettering
and am going to frame it to put in my Loo, The only place the missus will
allow
Mike Neal
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Just throwing in my 2 cents worth..... I catch and realease ALOT of trout.
I have a few spots i go to that produce large numbers of smaller size trout
and the fun of the day is in the C&R. I watch people including a couple
that i have fished with and they all "grab" and "handle"
thier fish. I don't handle fish. I run my hand down the line and grab
the hook, not the fish. One smooth rotation of the hook and it pops out
and the fish goes "plop" and swims away. I have killed 2 trout in
the past few years and it was a result of taking the fly too deep, not wether
the hook was barbed or not. Barbed hooks are a crutch for alot of fisherman
but in reality don't mean much to a realitively competent fisherman.
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first off - MAC: the longer a fish is on the line - the lower it's chances
of survival as it leads to increased build up of lactic acid in it's
blood stream.
Scott - immediate release of a fish is also not necessarily the best way
to go - fish often experience a form of shock once the hook is removed and
can drown if they loose consciousness. In such cases it may be better to
craddle the fish until it swims off on it's own.
Anyone who is going to release a fish should land it as quickly as possible
- handle it as little as possible, never squeeze it - watch for signs of
mortal injury such as heavy blood flow (in which case kill if it is
legal to do so), remove it from the water for as short a time as possible
if it all (ie a few seconds) and make sure the fish can swim under
it's own power before releasing it.
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OK, I'll give you that one Ralph,
But the way things are going around here, all I can say to that is that
as long as I'm permitted to use a barbed hook - I will.
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Many fish to you!
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And you are certainly entitled to do so. However, you gave two reasons for
using a barbed hook, even when practicing catch & release: (1)
To allow you to play the fish longer, and (2) To increase the odds
of being able to photograph or measure the fish.
You've acknowledged that (1) isn't a good idea. So you're
saying that the photo opp is why you use a barbed hook.
Is a photo or measurement really worth the mortality risk of all that unnecessary
handling and time out of the water ?
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I think a logical re-read of the thread would find that for the most part
the participants are in pretty close agreement as to whatever they are debating
(I'm not quite sure). It's not a p--sin battle over who
is the most Holy, and who cares anyway. I think the whole Province has a
great long weekend coming up, lets enjoy it with our families and fishin
buds, or whatever, and drop the whole posturing thing. Nobody asked but
that's my two-bits worth.
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