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You have got to be kidding me. How are we ever supposed to rebuild our sport fishing industry when we have ppl talking about bagging there limit. kinda makes me naucious to tell the truth. But i am sure it is always out of necessity. c'mon ppl! Hey "fishforall" they put these fisheries in place to keep the "baggers"away from the real sport fisheries in this province.You have to drive hours to get away from the crowds.I would rather drive than put up with the crap of todays ignorant so-called sport fisherman. Rivers like the Vedder and Cap, and to a slightly lesser degree, the chehalis are designed to be meat markets. If you are looking for that real high quality catch and release sports fishing oppurtunity, go elswhere--To get offended by people who bag their limit on such waters is ridiculus-it is like going to Macdonalds and then complaining about the quality of the hamburger, if people are seeking to bag their limit, It makes more sense from a conservation point of view to take them from these hatchery augmented systems. Remember, their is nothing morally wrong with keeping fish. hey bud you dont have to drive for hours to get away from all the people.Iknow lots of great spots on the vedder and chehalis rivers where nobody fishes.All you have to do is be willing to walk a bit |
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"Catch your limit but limit your catch" Its a saying that is as old as the hills, and it makes a lot of sense. The Vedder may be a meat market, but I really don't see the point in this father son pair taking home 8 fish in one day (each averaging 8 lbs they say). I caught a small 5 pound 'ho on the weekend and it fed my family for 2 days. What the hell am I gonna do with 30 pounds of salmon? Let's hope these guys have the foresight to vac pac the meat, but I have a sneaking suspicion that these fish are going to end up spoiling in the freezer before they have a chance to eat them.
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Hey whats wrong with that father and son team killing their limit.....just cause you couldnt catch youre limit!!!.A five pound coho would last my family about 2 minutes you must eat like a mouse for a fish of 5 pounds to last 2 days .I always take home my limit ......and no fish goes to waste here.Try smoking it or even give some away.....Have you seen the price of fish lately???????
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Well, the old "ignore him and he'll go away" trick isn't working.
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I have to agree with Brad. A 5 lb Coho would last 5 minutes at best in my family including my parents. Last season we ate over 200 lbs of salmon and considering half of that was smoked and the smoked salmon ratio is approx (8 pounds in the water = 2 lbs out of the smoker), I must have brought home over 500 lbs of salmon which all got eatin before April of this year. There was no waste. Lots of people out there love salmon and want enough for the winter. There is nothing wrong with that, especially if the fish are taken from "meat market rivers" like the Vedder or Chehalis, or the Fraser Sockeye. 99% of all my food fish come from those 3 rivers. I don't touch Coho from wild systems unless I'm catch and release fishing. The other 1% food kill is the occasional Kamloops trout from the interior, usually on a camping trip, but almost all of those get released.
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Fair enough, but I agree with sandman. I'm sure the majority of the guys take their fish saran wrap and put it in the bottom of their freezer where it never gets eaten. Cat Food! I met a guy last year that put the fish he caught in the garden. That's total B.S. If you're gonna keep it eat it. And Brad I don't agree with giving away, unless you're giving it to people who can't afford to fish, or eat. Ie., the poor and the needy. If you have the people over for diner,(sharing-that's fine) but not if you're just giving it away. Let them catch they're own damn fish! That just like shooting another hunters animal. Besides the fact it's immorale and unethical, for hunting it's also illegal. (I never said all guys do this, so don't get you all get offended). The problem is that the majority of the systems are sensitive to over harvesting and the limits are not conservative enough, hell I think some rivers should be should down completly not just C & R, never mind retention of fish. (The Thompson whould probably bring up great debate) By the way Brad how long is it? There's no need to be spoutting about how great of an angler you are. One who braggs and puts down is the one who is lacking in skills. The one who gives advice is the one who is all knowledgable.
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I believe that there should be harvest on hatchery or rubust sockeye stocks. There is nothing wrong with taking a few fish home, especially is you have a family to feed. With the price of salmon, most BC families can't afford to eat BC fish. If someone can combine a recreational passion like fishing with a little healthy nourishment that is good. Overall, I think it is better for conservation that people have an understanding that sustenance comes from the land. If bag limits are too high, adjust the bag limits. As well, there should be no harvest on stocks that a threatened, all personal descisions to harvest should be based soundly on conservation and biological information--is the stock healthy, can it stand harvest? Vedder coho and Fraser sockeye are excellent eating and can stand a sensible level of harvest. In no way to I advocate waste, and I enjoy every fish I kill. There is this new "holier than thou" attitude of a "johnny come lately" that killing a fish to eat is wrong. Wasting fish is wrong and never having eaten a fish you caught is wrong. I agree with Kevin's statement about quality of experience. Lets face it, these rivers are not the Sustut or Gitadoix, there may be an open spot on Rivers like the Vedder and Chehalis. But I have fished every inch of these rivers--although the fishing has been good, you are never really away from the crowds. Just less people, or you have a hole to yourself for a little while. I am not saying this isn't a quality experience, it is, but we should really see the light for what it is, and that is an excellent meat hole fishery, within 2 hours of Vancouver. If "slayer" thinks that he has some secret spot on the VEdder or the chehalis he really doesn't know what it is like to fish in isolation, it is not anywhere near the vedder river. Bert
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What do you guys think of lesser daily quotas, but keeping possession limits? Say 2 hatchery coho per day, 8 possession limit (8 salmon total in possession). The possession quota will always be 1/4 of the daily limit? 2 salmon per day total. What do you guys think of salmon closures when salmon are known to be on their redds? For instance closing coho for december to the end of the year? I'm just curious.
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My point was not that you should not have the right to kill salmon for food, but four fish in one day? Seriously, if stored properly that is enough meat for the rest of the winter. I don't believe the pair in question were out for one day only, but if that was the case then they are perfectly right in keeping whatever they are allowed, provided that none of it is wasted. My feeling is that they will likely be out again and will, if lucky enough, kill their limit again. They may, like Brad, give their fish to neighbours or relatives, and go out again. I suspect that guys like Brad are not really concerned with their neighbour's ability to feed their families, but more with proving to them their own prowess on the stream. I am sure Brad subjected his erstwhile neighbour to endless stories about his fishing ability before turning over the fish. Such a display is distasteful. As for the actual food value of a five pound salmon, give me a break. I weigh over 200 lbs so I don't eat lightly, but I do not gorge myself either, and certainly not on salmon everyday. If you eat fish with other side dishes, say rice and vegitables or a salad, then you don't need to eat half a fish for one serving. Also, don't waste the meat either, cook the fish whole and save the leftovers for salmon salad sandwiches. If you fillet the fish, save one of the fillets and cook it tomorrow. One fillet off a five pound salmon can easily feed three people if prepared properly. Also pick the bones on the carcass for use in making a soup stock. Make the most out of the resource. That's all I ask.
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Hey fool are you trying to tell me that a little 5 pound fish can feed 3 people WHATEVER. Ieat fish every day and i like it none goes to waste and as for you weighing 200 pounds ask some one who cares ass
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Robert: I don't argue with your right to kill within the bag limit. I also kill fish on the Fraser, Vedder, and Chehalis. But 500 pounds worth. 500 pounds at $50 for a license =10cents/pound. Makes me wonder if there should be a limit on socks/coho per year as the fish in your freezer are being subsidized(sp?) outside of your licence purchase.10 sockeye/10 coho per year as a limit. Just a thought. ps. I will kill aprox. 100#s this year,mostly sockeye, so im not against killing fish!
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I personally think they should limit daily quota to 3, maybe even 2, I wouldnt mind, as I rarely take home more than 1 or 2 from ocean, and rarely get more than 1 on rivers hehe. Coho have been closed for years and then they're open to 4 fish? 2 chusm per day and look at how they're doing, fine! If they lowered the limit by 1 or 2 fish, and had yearly quotas for all fish, then there would be alot more around, and only a bit fewer to take home, a the majority of people in BC (not the vedder) do not limit everyday. Chris
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Brad you just proved what kind of a fisherman you are, and how much you care for our natural resources. 'Nough said. Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought there was an annual bag limit on fishing such as Chinook and Coho? Just curious how many fish this limit constitute and also what's the monthly quota? I think a person would be hard pressed to be able to legally keep five hundred pounds of salmon during the 4 or 5 months that the vedder or other river have a high density in salmon. Could be wrong, I'm am however rather curious what the regs are.
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Brad ........have you ever heard of a "Sustainable Resource" well Salmon fit into the category of a potentially sustainable resource but to rely on hatcheries to recover the amount of fish taken from the rivers, damaged habitat, damaged spawning grounds, and polutatnts. Add up all these causes for loosing spawning salmon and their offspring and soon you will not have your "meat market" to provide your self and neighbors with the daily salmon feast you have so grown accustomed to. What do you think the actual survival rate of hatchery salmon fry is??? anyone know? I personally hould have no problem with them banning the retention of all fish which are considered "species at risk"! Just look at how effective it was with bringing back the sockeye, and chum populations.
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It doesn't take a brain sturgeon to limit out in meatholes like the vedder or chehalis or the Fraser sockeye run. You somehow think it neccesary to tell everyone. Don't you think that Bert or Bobber or Sandman has ever caught their limit? I agree with a sensible harvest, on a hatchery River, I have been fishing all over BC since Christ was on his Cross for at least 100 days a year, and have seen the resource change and would be just as happy with a hatchery coho limit of 2. I feed relatives with fish, but 500 lbs since the begining of sockeye season? Come on? How many hatchery steels are you going for--at least 20 would think. Hey Brad, tell me where you live so Bert, Bobber, Sandman and myself can drive by and wave our limits at you from the pickup truck. I am sure all the mentioned people catch tonnes of fish, Get a life nucklehead. Bert you can fish with me anytime... I will email you. Peter Horak
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Brad I am not only telling you a 5 pound fish can feed 3 people, I am telling you that it did, twice. Each fillet off the 'ho was cut into three equal portions that more than made up a meat serving in a meal that included a baked potato and steamed brocolli. Brad you have already proven you have the intellectual capacity of sea lice, I can only imagine your bravado is to overcompensate for a lack elsewhere, most likely in fishing ability. You must be so amazed when you actually catch a fish that you have to kill it and show everyone how great of a fisherman you are. Now I know you are going to want to insult me, most likely in capital letters, so I await your wry witty response in earnst.
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We have to recognize that we come from all walks of life with differing viewpoints on the various topics we discuss here on these bulletin boards. Now if the 200 lb Sandman wants to feed his family with 5 lb fish we should respect that. If Robert wants to feed his clan with 500 lbs of salmon we should respect that also. Both anglers are abiding by the laws of the land and both have a healthy respect for the resource. Neither angler is threatening the resource or each others opportunity to have a quality experience in the outdoors. It is all fun and games to beat up on a punk kid or retard(Brad)once and a while but why don't you guys come play in a bigger sandbox once and a while. Everything to you guys is about manhood, and the image of an outdoorsman you are trying to maintain with your latte drinking friends. Drop the BS for once and lets talk about something that takes some creative thought instead of quoting passages out of books.
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I hate latte, and so do my friends. Not because it tastes bad, but because buying it usually requires going into a "coffee house", which is a place where you need specialized training in order to buy coffee. I'm the guy standing at the counter, gazing blankly at the menu board, and mumbling, "Gee ... uh ... I dunno ... d'you have, like, just regular coffee ?" (The issues above sound like important ones to me. Unfortunately, the adult conversation is continually interrupted by a bratty kid ... who needs to be smacked on the butt and sent to bed without his salmon.)
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Drop the retention limit to 2 fish per day regardless of species and for those that "require" alot of fish in the freezer it will inspire them to go fishing more often. Hopefully by fishing h develop some sort of regard for the sport. Cat, Godd post for the first 2 paragraphs. Brad, nice to see that you feel you're not a complete idoit...at least you've stopped shouting. Funny though....still sounds like the same old crap.
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Or you could just privatize all the rivers and lakes in the province, start driving on the left hand side of the road and only rich people could fish for salmon.Any mere mortal who wished to fish could get a job as a ghillie.While you're at it multiply the population by ten, cut down all trees to build ships and go invade some country that has lots of good salmon fishing.
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Hey Suckerfish, or Catastomas or whatever you want to be called. I don't work in the internet business and I like my coffee black and I am not from Vancouver, so quit making assumptions about people. Bert Lougheed
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I think the bigger question is should these rivers be managed as meat markets (the Fraser sox excepted as this is a natural run). DFO uses the Vedder and Chehalis as sluices to feed the saltwater fishery. The in-river fishery is just a by product. A generation most of the valley streams had good salmon fisheries not just one or two. Why not a strategy to stock all rivers and streams with runs approximating historical numbers rather than super loading the Vedder and Chehalis which likely never had such huge runs of coho.
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Ok guys, once again, most of you are spewing off without knowing all the facts. I have personally talked to guys who work at the Chilliwack/Vedder hatchery. They have told me that year after year, Coho get THROWN OUT(yes, that means wasted) because, too many come back for what the hatchery can hold. Why do you think the limit was raised from 2 to 4????? Now my answer would be to stop making room for the damn pinks, chums, and white springs, but because of DFO and commercial fishing purposes, that will never happen. The amount of Coho the hatchery can hold has dropped even more since they started doing the White Springs. So there is even less room for the Coho. Also the Chehalis has a similar situation as well, so they too have surplus fish. Inch Creek has been stocking their extras in barren or suffering streams as a substitute for throwing fish out(I sure as hell won't mention these streams on the internet) Anyways, for all you whining about us taking a lot of fish, why not let the fish be eatin, even if they are givin away to friends or family. Thats much better than just being thrown out when they reach the hatchery. So lets stop all the whining and crying about people and families keeping their limit, these are "meat market" rivers. Get over it. If you want to avoid the crowds, and stick with catch and release only, go to the upper Harrison, or the Lilloet, Upper Pitt, etc. These streams all have decent runs of wild Coho(catch and release only) and are totally uncrowded.
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Yeah so if you lowered the annual limit for salmon these "meat markets" would be good fisheries, not ones where every meathead came out and abused the fish because there were too many, and kick the wild ho's back into the river, cause he could catch 500 fish a year. The government should dig a trench, fill it with water put a hatchery on site and raise the fish to maturity then dump them in the lake, give these gives a pole and let them have there 500 fish. And what would they call it? "Old Mcdonalds Farm" So if that's why the limit was increased to 4 then why release so many eggs. It may not seem apparent to anyone right now but shocking these rivers and also the ocean, we're looking for disaster in the future. It may not be in 20,or 30 years, but someday mother nature just won't be able to keep up. The thing is that we're supplementing things, adding eggs here, nitrogen there, catching huge #s of herring, squid etc. Way past historic levels. My definition of historic levels is the max. amount of fish a watershed, river etc., held when there was no pressure. I'm not saying I'm against hatcheries, stocking salmon into these rivers but I don't think they should be overloaded. If we're aiding salmon, by the use of hatcheries etc., and we're netting all their food then what do you think is going to happen. It's a no brainer. And I know some of you will say "ohhh some time in the future, someday. I don't care, who gives a ****." Well before you decide to write that think twice, cause if you do all you're saying is it doesn't matter if you kids or grand-children or great-grandchildren have a chance to fish, just as long as you're happy now; with all the fish you can eat. Oh, and I don't like the dispersion idea, putting hatcheries every where, I believe that these rivers should be C&R, because catching wild fish really is something to be sherished. I think the numbers of fish caught should be cut down, and an equilibrium be established be the two; wild&hatchery and Meat Fisheries and C&R fisheries. Through some good scientific work, and the will of all fishers this could become a reality, but as it stands this is not going to happen.
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Berty, I didn't make any assumptions. I just made a point. I see it struck close to home. I know U Vic is big into womens studies and education. After reading your posts I can conclude you didn't take the latter. I see you guys can't resist beating up on poor old Brad. Pretty soon we will have to take away Brads pole because he has set the hook on way to many of you book reading fishermen.
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They are all just a bunch of text book fishermen doogooders anyways.All the cheap shots dont hurt because i know what kind of a fisherman i a m. WAKE UP ••••••••
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Four fish a day, eh? Back in the mid eighties production was raised so the US tourists coming for Expo 86 could catch lots of fish. The limit in the Vedder was raised to 8 fish in '86 there was such a surplus in the river. Don't forget production has been CUT BACK in the last few years. They need only a fraction of the return to get their egg quota. The vedder is truly a river with too many fish!
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Annual quotas are a horrible idea. They would tend to punish those that are accomplished and fish alot and would do nothing to keep the meat heads off the river. Fished about 40 yards downstream at allison pool the other day from a yahoo doing his best to snag fish in the clear water. It boggled my mind to see this guy work so hard at it. If he put as much effort into truly fishing he would probably have been more succesful. This is a pretty good analogy for alot of guys we all see on the river...everybody looking for the easy way out. Nobody wanting to risk not catching fish.
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Ralph, that limit of 8 fish never included more than 4 adults, same as today. For some reason back then they thought you might want to take home 4 piddly little trout size Coho as well as 4 adult Coho. Make no sense then, still doesn't, that's probably why they dropped it.
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And how would annual quotas punish those that are accomplished? As long as you've got enough in your freezer do you no fish for the sport of it? Meat heads, in my opinion are people who go home after they limit out; therefore, after they caught their annual limit they wouldn't fish anymore.
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Buckman, there are many people on this board that fish over 100 days a year. It is very easy to summize that alot of these guys may wish to take a fish a week (or more). It is very concievable that someone would wish to eat a fish a week and annual quotas would prevent that from happening. The problem is not with the die hard fish nut. The prblems (for the large part) exist with the weekend warrior idiots that "need" to bonk a fish to feel like a man. Annual quotas are a moot point anyway as there is no way to police it effectively. Keep endangered runs and specific streams C & R only and let the runs that will support sportfishers taking a fish open under normal regs. I think we can accomplish what some of you are looking for by reducing daily quotas.
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As I recall (and you may recall better than I do) the long established limit through the 60's and 70's was 8 salmon of which only 2 could exceed 20 inches. Recently (within the last 10 to 15 years) the limits were amended to 4 salmon per day of all species and sizes - making it consistent with the regs in tidal waters. In 1986 the return of coho to the Vedder system was estimated to be 100,000 + fish. The limit that season was amended to 8 adult fish to allow harvest of the ridiculous surplus of fish - others may recall tourists who came in '86 didn't go fishing or to much of the areas outside Vancouver (my family was involved in a tourist dependent businesses at the time - and this was well publicized as true throughout large areas of the Province) I've fished in this area since about 1963 - if anyone else was fishing the Vedder in the 80's and remembers different that me. Let me know.
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I dont get it......why is everyone cutting everyone else up. Did the "aquarium cleaner" just try and insult me by saying i drink latte's ......ouch that hurt! I might of drank one once......but just to try and stay up while doing some work. you know civilization is progressing when guys wish eternal damnation because one reads books . I am sure the pictures are much better.
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Will someone point out to me why it is so hard to police annual quotas. It works for guys that fish in the ocean. Same with hunting. I don't get it? Fishdaddy, I hope that a 30+ lb spring lasts more than one week. Funny thing about people is that they think that when they catch a fish they have to cook the whole thing in ont sitting. Cut it into steaks or fillets, and cook half or whatever it's going to be. Course now were back to that 500 fish a year thing. I doesn't always have to be salmon your eating. Couldn't it be bows or dollies or kokanee or whatever. There are other fish species that are easily targeted, without having a huge impact. This idea of annual limit could spread fishing pressure out by have meat heads seek out other species such as 'bows, which I'm sure there are all kinds of down there. I'm making the assumption that the stocking programs are just as aggresive as the salmon hatchery programs. Oh and fishdaddy 100 days a year= 14.29 weeks @ 1 fish per week thats 14 fish per year not the 500 like some have been saying.
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That's the way Buckman, start encouaging people to kill Dolly Varden, one of the most vulnerable spiecies in the province. Considering your comments are usually fairly bright, I'd have to say that your comment on encouraging people to kill Dolly Varden is down right retarded. I'm not even gonna go into detail to try and justify why either. Other than that, have you got your goat yet? You said earlier that you got a draw.
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I don't know what the situation is on the Lower Mainland for Dolly's. I was merely suggesting that there are other sport fisheries other than salmon. I have fished several spots which support excellent # of dolly's which will suppport a catch and keep fishery, maybe it isn't so on the lower mainland. My point is there are other sport fisheries which are underused. I should have made that clear before. No Goat. The weekend I went up it was thunder and lighting and rain and snow and fogged in and well just about everything else. Pretty wild country, half the roads were washed out. Living in the Okanagan I never thought that upslope logging had that big of impact, but being there proved me wrong. (Chalk one up for Cast) The terrain just slouches and falls everywhere; Huge landslides right into all of the rivers. Funny enough one of these rivers supports all kinds of huge dollies in the fall when they spawn. And yes it's a catch and keep fishery, one per day. Anyways it's wild country, most of the roads are @ about 3000ft and the peeks are @ 8000 ft, so you can imagine how much of a hike it is to get up there through all those alder jungles and thistle bushes 7 ft. tall. Kind of scary too when there are millions of berry bushes and grizz tracks ALL OVER. I didn't see anything, but hopefully I'll get another chance to go up there in a couple of weeks. I'm sure those mountains are all full of snow which will make it really tough, but oh well it's beautiful country. One my buddies friends did manage to tag a nice 8 1/2" billy two weeks ago. Lots of elk sign in there too, I'll definitely be puttin' in there for elk next year. Other than that I haven't seen any monster bucks. Made a couple of trips into the High Country, but no luck. The weather has been terrible all year; we've had clear skies and hot days most weekends. But it looks like things are gonna be perfect tommorow, atleast I'm hoping. How's your season been?
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Buckman, I personally don't keep white springs as i don't find them terribly tasty. Your point is a good one but I was reffering more to the coho crowd. However a smoked spring , even a 30lb jobby still shrinks down alot and doesn't last when you bring a baggie to work for the boys and girls to oooooohh and aaaaahh at. I personally think that as long as stocks will withstand the pressure we should allow a resonable amount of fish to be retained by fishermen. If the info on this and other threads is accurate and there are "excess" or "wasted" hatchery coho in the vedder then leave the limit at 4, if the stocks can't support it then change it. What is missing is policing. There should be a DFO on vedder from first light everyday between September 1st and October 30th when most of the ding dong crowd is at it's peak.
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