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What would you guys say to if the annnual quota for sox and coho was 10 and the annual daily limit for salmon was one adult and 4 jacks per day? I myself would not mind this for a couple of reasons. It would obviosly allow more fish to spawn and therefore increase the run in time. The main thing that I am thinking it would do would drive away the crowds fromt he meatholes earlier in the day and discourage the meat fisherman a bit. Just wondering your guys thoughts on the matter. Ian PS has anyone else noticed a very distinct increase in perssure on our rivers this year?
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Ian, I'd be for it. That might stop those guy's who show up with the whole dam family. Once they catch thier limit they keep fishing, and hand the rod off to the wife or kid's when they have one on. I hate that!!! There's a lot more beak's on the river, you're right. Chris Angerer.
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Yes Ian, That sounds Fair, the sockeye season is really only a couple or three weeks max, ten fish is a limit for almost every week of the season. As for coho that is lots too. 10 a year and 2 or 3 a day for hatchery would be fine, Why not? Good ideas Ian, Bert Lougheed
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Its the closure of the Fraser that has pushed all the coffee grinders and mindless snaggers onto the Vedder and Chehalis. Not to mention the non-existance of dfo or any kind of enforcement on these poor rivers. Maybe its time to talk privatization of this government run outfit.Ticket quotas? Maybe a lottery system for those who want a license and then strictly enforce the ones that are lucky enough to be out there. If you don't have anything to hide,why not?
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Unfortunately lots of people don't have anything to hide because they don't know it's illegal.The ignorance of some people on the river regarding regulations is astonishing.I fished BRAD HAY's favourite bar north of the Mission Bridge yesterday.Most people didn't seem to know about the 8-4 time limit or that retention of salmon was only hatchery cohos.For those that did the standard method of determining whether a fish was wild seems to be to drag it up the beach for 30ft and then kick it back down to the water if it had an adipose fin.Meanwhile the only enforcement I saw was a DFO helicopter.I like your idea Ian but, like the present regs, it is to a large extent unenforceable.Too few COs, too many anglers,too much water to cover.
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I was wondering if you guys have wilderness watch down on the coast. When you sign up you get a booklet that you fill out when you see other sportsmen. Things such as time, date, and what you saw people doing are on the sheet and you put one slip on the window of the persons car and you keep one. This sort of lets everyone know that there are other people out there watching and also if anything happens in the area where you were fishing or hunting you have a record of it. Ie., if you see a vehicle in an area and write down there license plate, and an animal is poached you can turn your book over to the C.O. and he can follow up on it. Also if you just want to report someone, you simply fill in the blanks. Works great!! People think twice about there illegal doings when they know someone's watching. Observe, record, report. And if your local fish and game club hasn't told you about this program bring it up. It's a great tool, and has worked in the Okanagan.
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I too have noticed the hoardes of people on the Vedder this year (and I agree it is because the Fraser is/was closed) but only while driving by. I simply go to a spot that requires hiking for 10 minutes to get to. For the most part, I have fished alone with my wife and friends this year on the Vedder. We have all caught many fish this year; more than any other year. In fact, I went with a buddy to the limit hole because he really wanted to, and while he fished with 20 people all around him, I walked downstream about 100 yards and fished the shite water (rapids) and pulled our a silver bright coho, as well as my fair share of big whites without getting my rig tangled with the 10 guys beside me. I am not claiming to be an expert, just applied some common sense to the situation. Lets face it guys, the salmon have to move through the whole river to get to their destination. It's as simple as that. Cheers, and keep your eyes on the float!!!
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10 a year per fish is fine! Coho are fairly numerous, relatively, compared to sockeyes, but 10 per species sounds good. I also think the daiyl limit shoiuld be lowered. Another idea is possibly having a rotating closure. Say on a 5 year cycle-5species of salmon. One year coho is closed, then springs, then sockeyes, then chums, then pinks, etc. Possibly having more to do with cohos/springs. One thing is for sure, if you fish to eat, get a saltwater boat, they taste so much better. So Peopel wouldnt really need to keep 4 fish a day anyways, as in general they dont taste as good in freshwater. More fish and less keeping is somethign I'd prefer too! Chris
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Can you imagine how big the actual license would be with all the room needed on the back to record all your catches? You'd have to keep it in a duotang.
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Chris, if you are keeping chromers they taste exactly the same, even the darker ones dont really taste that bad. Cant understand how you came up with that theory. With the 5 year cycle thing. You are only protecting one cycle of fish per year? Cant really understand how that would work? Even with the 10 fish annual limit, how is it going to be patrolled we cant even get any CO on the vedder or chehalis to stop the jerk fisherman. |
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i just replaced a lost license...You have to go to a Government Agent....Maple Ridge, Squamish or Chilliwack are the only choices in the Vancouver area i think. You swear a declaration and get a duplicate license with your tags...at a cost...think it was almost 30 bucks for me..
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I totally disagree with privatization, we should have a right to fish when and where we'd like(as long as it's in season and open for fishing).Lowering the daily limit is a good idea to take the pressure off the rivers and lakes. Some 'beeks' wouldn't even get out of bed for 2 fish per day. That's fine by me. Lowering the Steelhead quota was the best thing D.F.O. has done to help with crowding.
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I bothers me when people are so pessimistic and only worry about the little things. How are we gonna do this with a duotang? No, maybe a bigger licence or another license if you fish for salmon in freshwater. There are always lots of solutions. It isn't hard. How is it gonna be monitored? Easy, you'll always have your license with you so the DFO can check it then. I'd be no different than writting in when you caught a ling, or chinook on your saltwater license. And if the government wanted they could get the fisherman to turn their licenses in @ the end of the year, just like with L.E.H.s. This way they'd have more info and fish caught, where, what size.
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Yes...lower the daily and annual limits. In some states in the US you are required to display your licence on the outside of your clothes so a CO can (and anyone else) can tell at a glance if you have one. Personally I'd like to see them hire many more people to enforce the regs. If they treated it seriously and handed out hefty fines for breaking regulations they could easily pay for the extra staff. The only people who would be hurt by this are the ones who are fishing illegally. In all my years of fishing I've only been asked to show my licence once. I wish it happened regularly. Pat
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Well, my theory is from a cap coho we caught and brought home. I fed 5 people with it and we usually eat salmon caught out of the ocean. All of their expressions were that, nah, this is ok, theyre better from the ocean. It did taste duller than usual, maybe for people who noly fish in rivers and river mouths like mouth of cap, all the fish are probably like that, I dont know. I too thought that chrome fish were as good as ocean, but theyre not in my opinion. Still good though. As for 1 per year thats a good point, possibly closing whole cycle of fish, or lowering the limits? I dont know, Im not the head of the DFO, just an angler who likes fish. hehe Chris
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Does that mean that rainbow, cutthroat, dollies, and other trout taste like crap too? I dont think so. Maybe it is the placebo effect. You should have tried the red chinook I tryed just recently. Unbelieveable, from a 40 pound river caught bastard. Maybe you got a stale female. YOu should see some fat on the fish if you got a fish thats been in the rivers no more than a little while. Believe it or not, some coho females will say semi chrome and become sexually mature (or ripe and ready to release their eggs). As long as you aren't fishing the spawning beds, you shouldn't have problems with river caught fish. One question: did you bleed the fish properly?
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Ya, its unbelievable how many guys still don't know how to dress a fish properly. But on another note, if you screw the dressing up on an ocean fish(which is still feeding), the results are way worse than if you screw up the dressing on a river fish, which probably hasn't eatin in days, because there is no waste to spoil inside the fish. However, the fish still needs to be bled, and the guts should be romoved as soon as possible. If I'm gonna fish some more, I like to keep my salmon in a damp burlap sack in the shade.
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