Rod Passing Ethical or Not? |
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Well here we go. To start, I think Joe from the reports board can explain his fishing pals and his supporting facts to his quote: "We all seem to agree that passing your rod to a buddy with a fish on, because he isn't has lucky as you is quite acceptable, but I am realy starting to object to those guys that bring their wives and kids, that are not fishing,and have no fishing gear with them,and once he has his 2 fish, passes his rod with a fish on to his family members that haven't been fishing,I would realy like to hear your views on the matter." Then we'll take it from there. (I'll refrain from issuing my 2 cents until I've heard the pro's) |
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I want to know what kind of self respecting fisherman lets his buddies hook his fish for him anyways. I'd rather go home skunked than take home a couple of charity fish. Quite a comment on the ethics of Joe and his friends, so perhaps maybe Joe shouldn't be commenting on the apparent lack of ethics by others.
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I'll admit that in an actual "get the fish to bite" fishery, it's the challenge of the hunt. But in the sockeye fishery..it's simply gathering your legal number of fish for the freezer/barbeque. Sometimes, it just sucks to be you, and it helps the wife understand if you can still come home with a fish. This "Bring along all my kids under 16 so that I can fill MY freezer" doesn't seem right though. My $0.02
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Thats exactly right Brian, its a meat fishery. The first thing a "TRUE" sportsfisherman should not do...is associate sockeye bottom bouncing with other "actual" types of sportsfishing. Passing a rod or whatever with Sockeye fishing is ok, cause everyone who knows that they are actually flossing, also knows that people are only there for the meat. NO ONE goes out onto the Scale Bar for a relaxing afternoon, and anyone who says they are, is just lying. Its for the meat and nothing else. My 2 cents.
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I wasn't going to get involved... but... I take my five year old son fishing with me whenever I can... I'd love for him to be able to fish, but with the necessity of long casts, a long rod, and way too many people, it just isn't practical for him to fish on his own. I hook fish, and he has a great time reeling for all he's worth to get the fish in. I have no problem keeping two fish that he reels in. That being said, although I do bring my three year old daughter as well, I would never dream of making her reel a fish in, she hates it, and I won't keep two fish for her "just 'cause it's legal"! I have taught my son about catch and release fishing, such as last year with the Pink run, but with sockeye, I don't see a problem keeping two for a child that really loves the sport! I agree that handing the rod off to a wife or child that could care less is being a little greedy!
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Conquer wholeheardedly with Joe's comments. sorry admin, just felt it had to be said.
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Well here's my two bits boys! I've met to many •••••••'s on the river that think they know it all. Acting as if they were CO's. If I want to pass my rod over to my son or daughter to reel in a sockeye or rainbow I'll do it. And if you don't like it go tell the CO. Go ahead write down my liecnce plate number and report me. The bastard probably couldn'd catch a damb thing if his life depended on it.
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Id be interested to know just exactly what the law says about this. Is it different if the person passing the rod already has their limit for instance?
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Rod Passing? Bizzarre... some people will do anything to get their extra fill of fish. Personally I think it's great to release a big fish back to catch another day. As for letting a little one feel the pull of a big fish, even if he didn't cast it - I think that's ok, but if it comes to that, why didn't the little guy cast it in the first place, ya gotta learn sometime? On the Bow in Alberta, the true fishermen are the ones that C and R. My 1.75 cents (no PST)
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I think that the Fraser is more then 100 ft wide at most spots.Just got back from trip on the Bow,great river to drift on but to compare it to the Fraser ? These arn't Browns there a chase'in now.If the little guy did hook up with something his size ??? My 1.75 cents plus P.S.T. (just the cost of living here)
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P.S. did hook up with lots of small bows'- 24" and browns the same size.Next year "SABER TOOTH SALMON" I hope ?
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ethics shmethics! Every time I read a post like this I feel like I could hurl! This is this or that ethical, is just a flavour of the month and no one ever bothers to say why they think something isn't ethical. For the life of me I can't see why it's ok to pass a rod to a buddy who can't catch a fish but it's wrong to pass the rod to grandpa or junior? Is a family of 6 that takes home 12 fish on a day trip any worse than a fellow who takes his two every day of the season? Perhaps not perhaps they are better! If there are 3 people trolling in a boat with 2 rods and they rotate landing fish is that unethical? Can't see why! So why is it wrong to pass the rod to your kid whose been casting for 2 hours and hasn't hooked a fish? What this seems to be about is an attitude that the river belongs to guys and good old boys and not to families. That's just crapola IMHO.
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Spot on Ralph. I guess it's too traumatic for some to watch a seven year old landing fish when they're being skunked. This crap about it's OK to pass the rod to your buddy but not to your kid is perhaps some of the more twisted logic I've heard for some time. Was good for a chuckle though.
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I don't mind if the kids/family members have a genuine interest, but when dad has to holler 2 minutes while the kids are goofing off somewhere, while he holds the fish offshore...that gets annoying.
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O.K so here it goes. I have been trying to make note of this topic the last few times out, and here is my experience from yesterday. I was fishing in a very secluded spot with almost no one else around me. After about 1 hour 3 elderly men (retired for at leat 5-10 years) start fishing near me. After an hour or two of constant fish for me, it became evident that they did not posess the strength or gear required to cast to where the fish were holding. Seeing their frustration, I offered to let them pull in a few fish of mine, they were happier than hell, got their two fish and promptly left. This, to me was acceptable practice as the persons recieving the fish were trying their best to get one on their own. On the flip side, shortly after these men left, a family of people (from a country very close to ours) rolled up and began fishing. The family consisted of one man, one woman 2 children, and one infant. One of the children was genuinely intersted in catching a fish, so the father would occasionally pass the rod off to him. What really got my line in a knot, is that this man proceeded to keep 2 fish for every member of his family, INCLUDING THE BABY! The other child was constantly complaining of how much she hated it up here and wanted to go home. Then after bonking 10 fish, he left. This to me is unacceptable ethics. I feel if a rod with a fish is to be passed to another angler, then they must be that, an angler. One who is actively attempting to catch a fish. This whole business of bringing all your the children in your family tree and keeping 2 fish each is nonsense. If the children have a rod and are fishing... for any kind of fish, then passing a rod to them is O.K. Lets suppose I am a school teacher, I take my students for a field trip to the Fraser, does this allow me to bonk 80 fish while I am there?
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The school teacher analogy is kind of ridiculous. Of course you can't bonk 80 fish, just as the guy from a "country very near us" can't bonk 2 fish for a kid in a car seat. If the guy hooked the fish and the kid landed them that's different, but it's illegal to kill two fish for someone that clearly isn't capable, of or has no intention of fishing. Why wouldn't you say something to the guy, or get his license plate? BTW it sounds like you were pounding on the soxs for quite a while. That's one thing I've noticed this year is that fewer guys are hero fishing, playing out 20 or more fish because it's the only time they really hit any. It's nice to know that people are finally getting the message that catch and release on fish that spawn in the Horsefly or Adams isn't doing the fish any favours, and will probably end up in reduced angling opportunites for all of us in the future.
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..."because it's the only time they really hit any"... You must have me mistaken for someone else.
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I discovered a "con" for this issue that I hadn't thought of before. I spoke with a guy at Island 22 yesterday about his inability to accurately count to 2! As I was discussing the matter with him, his buddy advised me that he had "helped" him with one of the three fish that he had, so it counted against the buddys take and not his. I had watched this idiot take three fish, and I heard numerous reports that he had taken up to 8 fish on a previous day, and had already bagged two at a different section of the bar earlier that day! I have no problem with passing your rod to another person, if it's legitimate, and that person has a true interest in what's going on... not, as has been said before, using some kid in a car seat as a reason to take two more fish! Like I've said before, I hook fish on occasion and then assist my five year old son to real them in, he yells "Fish On!" constantly as he reels for all he's worth, and the look on his face when the fish is finally landed is incredible to see! On that note, a huge thanks to those guys that clear the beach so that he can play the fish and see it landed ! Tight lines, and good luck 'til Tuesday!
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I have seen a couple of guys this sockeye season bonkin more than there limit and I just about bonked one of them. We had a toe to toe match going but thankfully for him my ol lady grabed me and held me back. Guess what? He claimed he didn't speak english! .After that they jumped in there skif ( green Harbourcraft car topper)and went back to the boat launch , brought his two girl friends and a little kid . They handed the rods to these people when they had a fish on , bonked six more jumped in the skif and took them back! Well they came back to Ferry Island where we were fishing and hung out on the shore waiting untill we were ready to split , and we did . Where are the DFO ? Just buzzing over !@#$%^sakes. |
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I talked to the DFO about passing the rod and there is no real law. They basicly said it is up to the officer. If you hand it right away I can't see a problem but if you play it to the beech and then hand it off you will probably get wrote up. As for the Atlantic. I caught one last year up at Herrling. It was in early July before sockeye opened and I was after a big red. I caught this fish and wasn't sure what it was at the time. I ended up releasing it because I new it wasn't a spring. I have got it filed with the DFO. He asked WHY didn't I kill it. I said because if I made a mistake and killed the wrong fish for sure some idiot would write me up. Mars |