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from Drift Fisher Lake or River: our rivers I tried to fish my usual drifts I've been fishing for over 14years but encountered pompous flychuckers that couldn't roll cast and continued to flog any run I drifted,remember don't accuse driftfishers and take up a whole run because there were no agressive flychuckers even 7 years ago,so this should be the flychukers report page cause that's what our resource has changed to!Paranoid yuppies with expensive gear and s.u.v.'s taking over with lime green lines and noisey reel clickers ready to bark out and illegally accuse and lable old veterans as snaggers etc.Wachout flybeaks and don't accuse or stereotype unless you witness something because you never know who they might be! |
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Attention Driftfisher: You are asking the flyfishers not to be stereotypical and judgemental but that is exactly what you are doing. There are both responsible and irresponsible fishers on our rivers using all kinds of different techniques. I use roe when roe works best and I flyfish when that seems to be working best. For many years all I did was drift fish but last year I got into flyfishing and found it to be very enjoyable. Now it's what I do most of the time. I've spent a quite a few hours on the lower river and have found flies to be quite productive. The snaggers on the river are very, very obvious and we all know who they are. These people are frustrating to watch and are poor examples of sports fishermen (no matter what method they choose). Reguardless of how we fish, we should be respectful of the river, the fish, and each other. Why can't we all just get along!!! IP Address: 142.30.29.193 Proxy IP: 142.22.16.54 Proxy Name: 1.0 vance004
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Although I do my share of flyfishing, I agree in part with Driftfishers' observations. Went out last friday afternoon to the upper river and found 2 of my usual drifts "hog-tied" by extremely possessive flyfishermen, who seemed to think that drifting roe should be outlawed. There was one fellow who was perched in the ideal place, and who would consistently break fish off rather than move. We don't need this kind of territoriality and elitism on the river. Unfortunately, these people probably don't read this discussion. |
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I am quite surprised at the whole territorial thing. I am a newbie really just started 3 years ago, but I had a good fighter yesterday that was on for 15 minutes, it skirted toward the fly men and he walked out in his waders with his snippers to cut him loose!! I played golf competitively for years, and when you see a guy pick up your ball and keep it for chuck it in the woods, your blood starts to boil!! |
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Rocket, maybe your salmon was foulhooked. Something frowned upon by Flyfischers |
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Rocket very true, I have found flyfishers' have no respect for other people, you yell that you have a fish on and they ignore you, and soon after that your tangled up with them and they get all pissed off about it. Yet when they have a fish on and you get tangled with them it seems to be the end of the world if they lose their fish because your tangled with them. Some other guys also as soon as you tangled with them cut your line off.
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Ryan - I think this is a dangerous generalization. Morons know no boundaries in fishing gear. Flyfishers, drifters, bouncers, or anyone else aren't the only guys with morons in their group. We _ALL_ have them, and we all have good people. I find that if I'm nice to my neighbours BEFORE I need them to move, then they'll move and be friendly. I've seen guys be dickheads and make comments about a guy down/up river, and then wonder why they don't move when he has a fish on. What comes around - goes around. Tight lines, wet skies(please!!!)
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Fishing is fishing, whether one tosses a fly, drift bait, troll, mooch, fresh or salt water angle, method is personal choice and ability. Fishing can becomes one's hobby, sport or livelihood from the moment they lay their hands on a rod. As a professional guide on the chuck, I enjoy meeting people from all around the world that marvel our part of fish heaven and the opportunity to catch world class salmon. The fishing fraternity, as some of the contributors have surmised, have all but deteriated into nothing more than social slobs (the meat hole fishers)to "elitist" purist anglers. After witnessing some of the buffoonery going on in the rivers, I tend to agree. What happen to being a good neighbor? We can educate one another when on the river on etiquette, equipment and methods with a kind and helpful attitude. Guides on the chuck willingly educate other boat anglers to methods and locations. There is never any fear that "we" might get out fished by our "neighbor" and on some days, yes we are definitely out fished. That's why it's called fishing and not catching. None of us own the river or has any claim to the fish in the water. I can tell you from my experience, there is more joy knowing that you had a hand in your "neighbor" catching a fish than catching one yourself. Just one man's opinion.... |
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I'm primarily a flyfisher (basically any time there is room to make a back cast I'll use a fly rod instead of a casting rod) and I'm shocked to hear rocket's story. Even if the fish is foul hooked, you shouldn't be doing anything other than letting the guy know and offering to unhook it so he can get back to fishing. There have been a couple of times where I've shared a pool with guys drift fishing and there hasn't been a problem. Both just have to alter their timing and leave more space between anglers than when everyone is drift fishing. One note of caution - if you aren't used to being around people flyfishing - those back casts can go waaaaay back so give plenty of space and let them know when you're passing behind. I saw a 12 year old last weekend who just missed getting a really ugly nose piercing.
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I find the drift/fly distinction ridiculous. I do both and, like Ivan, find there are all sorts behaving poorly regardless of their fishing style. In fact it doesn't seem to be confined to angling. Life in general is arduous enough without making it more difficult. All of us need to be more tolerant regardless of how ethical or otherwise we believe we are.
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Drift Fisher is dreaming if he thinks the river is reserved for "old veterans" If he has been fishing the Vedder for 14 years and is surprised to find competition on "his usual drifts" he should try golf instead.Why should'nt a flyfisherman be as aggressive as the next guy?To describe flyfishermen as paranoid yuppies with expensive gear and s.u.v.'s taking over with lime green lines and noisy reels is as innaccurate as portraying a gearfisherman as an unshaven unemployed roechucker with a beater truck and a joint. On the other hand,a competent flyfisher should be able to find plenty of runs that the baitcasters, etc. will pass up due to the low water.They invite confrontations by fishing in the meaty areas.All this squabbling will wash away with a good rain and everyone spreads out.I have been fishing this river since 1974 with everything from dew worms to flies and my impression is that the population at least triples every year.As long as there is retention it will only get worse but I return every year and there's always room somewhere.
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In my expereince drift fishermen(as a class) on the Vedder are 'drift hogs' but then thats the nature of the river. Beyond that I doubt that any relatively experienced FF'er will not give anyone the room needed to land a fish.
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