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<7705>
I would like to build a drift rod for my silex. I would like to use a 8 wt. fly rod blank. It must load up nicely and be able to chuck a three inch piece of pencil lead. sage would be my first choice but I am unsure of what model may be appropiate. I am now using my G.Loomis Im6 with this reel and just hate it. Way too heavy. Any comments/suggestions would be welcome. I want it light and sensitive.A good rod for coho and steelies with good casting capabilities is what I'm looking to build. Any advice? Thanks in advance.
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<7708>
Hey, just a question, what kind of water do you need a 3 inch piece of pencil lead for? Are you planning on feeling those takes or no? 1 inch, MAX! Anything more and you miss valuable takes and you're probably fishing the wrong water. But I guess thats the downfall of some centerpins is you need a whole roll of weight to cast them. For a nice light action rod thats light and can take them fish, well I'd look at the Sage 2106 or the Sage 3113 LB, if you can still find them. They're drift blanks designed to be fished as drift blanks. I would also strongly suggest the loomis as well, maybe a GL3 model. As CP will tell you, nothing beats LOOMIS action. A strong dominant butt section with a very supple tip which offers good fishing fighting characteristics on top of sensitivity at the same time. They're also light too. Not the most durable of rods from what I've heard, but you shouldn't be breaking rods anyways if you know what you're doing. Good luck. Scott
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<7709>
It's got nothing to do with the material. You want a blank with a slow action - one that flexs down into the blank. Sage flyrods tend to medium fast or fast action (the RPL+) series were fast. The ultra expensive SPs tend more to medium action. Get a longer rod with a silex. A 9ft rod with such a reel is a toy.
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<7712>
What do you want slow action, for the physically challenged. It's been proven time and time again that a fast action rod will put more fish on the beach and thats what fishing is all about. You have to be able to put the hook into them and it's important that you can control your fish aswell being able to use 10+ leaders.
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<7719>
"Proven?" What a pile of crap! All you are talking about is preference. Before you proceed, just tell us if you have a ever fished with a centre pin reel.
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<7721>
Ralph I'd like to see your sorry ass trying to fish big water with your slow action cane rod. You'd need 10ft behind you so you could walk up the beach while setting the hook. Catching fish is mainly in the hookset and maintaining pressure on the fish. The qualities needed for the job are med to fast action, sensitive tip and backbone to turn them heads. The GL3 12ft is a good choice and if want to put a few on the beach the GL2 11 1/4ft will work. If you can't hold any of these rods with centre pins a membership to the gym is in order and remember to have the handle cork below the reel to be long enough to switch over to a baitcaster for certain situations. Ralph my centre pins have had many days on the river.
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<7723>
I would agree with Gill,but would go even further to say that a slow action rod on the river with any kind of reel,is a recipe for missed hooksets and lost fish.Ten years ago,when bait fishing was the normal method,it wouldn't have mattered as much,with deeper hooked fish.Fishing with various soft plastics,spoons and spinners will produce at the very least,better and more frequent hookups.I have some older,slow action rods(Fenwick/Woodstream 1263) and some with very fast tips,and don't miss the slow rod at all except for turning the big brutes around,which is SOMETIMES,more effective with the slow rod. HM
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<7726>
absolute garbage by people who zip about rods. The sorry part is you rely so heavily on what some tackle store cowboy tells you. Make's me wonder how people ever caught fish 60 years ago before there ever was anything but cane or greenheart. It's joke. As if catching fish was something that was invented by Jim Green at the same time he made the first graphite rod. LOL!
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<7727>
Hunter - BTW your reference to 'fast tips' shows you don't know what a slow rod is.
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<7747>
Ralph, Name one drift blank on todays market that is considered "slow". I know you don't fish with a centerpin more than a handful of days in a year. Acutally name one fly blank that is considered "slow". I personally have been looking for a slower action for fly fishing for steelhead. Hard to find what you need. The finest steelhead blank to date is the GL2 ST1265. It really doesn't matter what you use but I can tell you that I cast everything down to Koho 45's with this setup. If you can't cast a spoon with your centerpin then it is time you re invest in the proper reel. Sage is good because of warranty. Loomis still has a finer steelhead action. |
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<7769>
Hey I was just trying to offer some advice not start a war over drift rod ideology. For the record I have 2 drift rods, a silex, an Ambassedeur, a closet of flyrods and a mass of assorted junk I've inherited over the years. I've been fishing 10 times since August 1st - I think Ifished fly exclusively on only 4 of those trips. I used my silex once. Certainly I've handled drift rods that I'd consider medium to slow. These usually are lower cost rods like Berkley Composites or REDL. A few years ago I still saw the occaisional Richmake rod. Fibreglass and slow. from time to time I hear there are still knockoffs of the old Hardy 10-10 rods around. I guess someone has some of the original mandrels somewhere. The original question was about suitable flyrods to used with a centre pin reel Orvis actually rates their rods on a scale of action from fast to slow. For years they made a 10 foot #8 rod for Atlantic Salmon fishing that was reputed to be slow. Popular on the east coast and in europe some of those rods may still be available for those markets but not marketed throughout North America. St Croix's lower cost flyrods are rated as slow. Likewise Scott and Sage make some slower blanks. You want a slow rod - contact them
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<7780>
I fish with a centrepin almost exclusively, only putting it down for Sockeyes. I am currently fishing with a Sage 3113lb and a Talon 112 LT2. They are both great rods for the lowermainland area for steelies and coho. The Sage has a more sensitive tip and lighter butt. The talon has more power in the butt. I find the Sage to be easier to cast with lighter weight, even under arm swing casts across the Vedder. I have also fished with a Sage 3113 MB and G.Loomis 1261BC GL3. I found the Sage 3113 MB to be similar to the LB, the butt was slightly heavier. The G.Loomis is a great rod, very sensitive and tons of power in the butt. However, the Loomis has a faster action that is not suited for a Silex. It takes alot of weight and inertia to get a Silex spinning. Therefore, a slightly slower tapered drift rod is prefered. I have given up on my Silex and switched over to a JW Seldex. I have noticed that alot of the "Driftfishers", the old school Thompson guys like to fish with a Silex and a Sage 4120 or 4410. The 4120 is known as the "Thompson" rod, because it can handle heavier line and weight. The 4110 is a good all-round rod that can handle Big steelies and Springs. The bottom line is the water you like to fish and the species your targeting. I would recommend a Sage 3113 MB, 4110 or 4120 for a Silex. You have to remember the Silex was never designed to be fished with light line, due to the width and depth of the spool.
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<7787>
O.K. guys,thanx for the advice on a flyrod blank for a silex. For the record the rod I have been using with the silex is a G. Loomis IM6 model ST 1265 B. Ihad it custom made in North Van. by tidewater Tackle. I'm not saying it's not a good rod but I find it unsuitable for a silex. After reading the replys posted I have come to the conclusion that rod selection is so subjective that whats good for you may not be for me even though we may be fishing the same piece of water. For the record these waters usually are the chehalis,Stamp,Vedder,Gold,Quatse,Quinsam/Campbell etc. you get the idea, all small water systems. Today I checked out a Sage 8Wt. 10 foot SP blank and found it to be awesome. At 375 bucks just for the blank it should be. Appears to be exactky what I'm looking for but way to expensive. As far as the debate over not enough hook setting capabilities of a so called slow rod I suspect thats a crock, the reasoning being is one day as a experiment I used my eight wt.shakespeare fly rod with the silex and had no problem hooking and holding springs on the Stamp/Somass.The two postings that were the most informative and seemed to make the most sense were from Ralphh and Carlo(fin). I think I'll put my Loomis away and reserve it's use for the Thompson. As far as a blank to build goes I think I may look to ST. Croix/Lamiglass. I guess I could solve the dilemma by using my Avon, I does cast easier on the Loomis than the silex. As far as a being able to chuck a three inch piece of pencil lead goes I said this purely as an example, normally I start fishing with a two inch piece and shorten it according to the demand of the drift. Enough said, comments?
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<7789>
I have to say you are the most clueless fisherman I have ever come across. All the best fishermen retire their centerpins when they realize that they are not the right tool for the job. If you want to get rid of your 1265 drop me an e mail. The going rate is about $90 per blank. I will give you $40 more for a built rod. If you want a light drift rod to fish with try a Scott 10' 9 wt in SAS the blank is $140. Lifetime warranty.
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<7791>
see http://www.orvis.com/store/sub_frame.asp?dir_id=1&group_id=1&cat_id=11&level1=0&level2=0 for an illustration of fast medium and slow rods at least in the context of flyrods. Orvis rates it's rods on a number scale giving you a good indication just how the rod flexs under a load
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<7820>
In fact,I did not mean fast tip,but did mean fast action.I do know the difference and would gladly take you to school on the topic,if you so desire,but I will not be nice in roasting your wide ass.I stand by my earlier comments and would pose this question your way?Would you consider a Fenwick 1263 and,say a Hardy 1010 to be slow action rods?Your comments will answer your own questions,in regard to my knowledge.Cheers. HM
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<7832>
Gary, If the Sage is too expensive, go for the St.Croix. I fish a light(10 1/2 foot rated 8 to 12 lbs line) blank that I had built with my Seldex and it's perfect for the same rivers you mentioned. Great for coho and steelhead but forget about the springs or chum. The St. Croix blank cost me about $100.
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<7864>
Steve, where did you purchase your st.croix blank from?
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<7877>
Ryan, I bought it thru Chilliwack Dart & Tackle and had Gary there build it for me. He did a great job. Fraser's tackle in Mission told me they could get that blank in also.
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